Comments on: Transport and the lock-in problem/2010/08/01/transport-and-the-lock-in-problem/Andrew Curry's blog on futures, trends, emerging issues and scenariosTue, 28 Feb 2012 09:11:19 +0000hourly1http://wordpress.com/By: My share: 1.4285714285714285714285714285714 e-10 | India Streets/2010/08/01/transport-and-the-lock-in-problem/#comment-2781Tue, 16 Nov 2010 08:47:21 +0000/?p=1783#comment-2781[…] * You may also want to have a look at Andrew’s related piece on “Transport and the lock-in problem“. […]

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By: 1.4285714285714285714285714285714 e-10 | World Streets/2010/08/01/transport-and-the-lock-in-problem/#comment-2779Tue, 16 Nov 2010 06:16:51 +0000/?p=1783#comment-2779[…] * You may also want to have a look at Andrew’s related piece on “Transport and the lock-in problem“. […]

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By: 1.4285714285714285714285714285714e-10 | Street Works/2010/08/01/transport-and-the-lock-in-problem/#comment-2777Mon, 15 Nov 2010 08:09:17 +0000/?p=1783#comment-2777[…] * You may also want to have a look at Andrew’s related peice on “Transport and the lock-in problem“. […]

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By: thenextwavefutures/2010/08/01/transport-and-the-lock-in-problem/#comment-2723Tue, 10 Aug 2010 12:02:09 +0000/?p=1783#comment-2723In reply to Eric Doherty.

By way of endorsing Eric’s comment above, there’s a post at Make Wealth History which looks at support for oil and gas related infrastructure projects, compared to renewables: http://makewealthhistory.org/2010/08/10/why-are-we-still-subsidising-fossil-fuels/.

Andrew

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By: Eric Doherty/2010/08/01/transport-and-the-lock-in-problem/#comment-2722Mon, 09 Aug 2010 21:28:09 +0000/?p=1783#comment-2722The assertion that Europe’s problem with transport emissions has to do with past ‘legacy’ infrastructure is weakly supported at best. “We are locked into a set of legacy infrastructures that have taken a century to build up; changing it is slow and expensive.”

The fact is that Europe and UK governments have continued to spend billions on roadway expansion every year, and will probably do so again next year and the year after. It is not expensive to stop building freeways, in fact it would save billions every year that could then be spent on reducing emissions.

Sometimes when people find themselves in a hole, they talk about path dependence rather than stop digging. Enough with excuses for deliberate climate crimes.

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By: Damian Hockney/2010/08/01/transport-and-the-lock-in-problem/#comment-2721Fri, 06 Aug 2010 02:12:18 +0000/?p=1783#comment-2721Oh, and the question of Londoners, business and cars – London business is not actually about Londoners or it would not be in London (!). Much of the small business in London is now niche and catering for those living outside in the very wealthy suburbs and countryside who do use their cars. It may be fashionable to sneer at upmarket hairdressers, flower shops, chocolatiers, farmers markets etc, and the growth of shops who provide items for $40 which might cost $10 elsewhere (!) but these are a mainstay of London job creation and they are the ones most affected by the C-Charge. They began to concentrate in increasing numbers in the capital, with the affluence of the 80s and the demand for exclusive products. A 55 year old upmarket customer from 25 miles out of London in winter will NOT travel on dirty crowded trains in the dark (ie at 4pm onwards), with long walks or taxi rides home at the end of the journey after a visit to London to spend hundreds or thousands of pounds on services and products. The C-Charge has notably confused people who do not use it regularly and the horror stories of people missing the signs and having their cars impounded have fed into a fear of the unknown and damaged marginal businesses in the zone. A small number have actually stopped coming into London because of the C-Charge. The politicians do not want you to hear these things, which appear in all their private studies. Ian, you would be amazed at the degree to which the big spenders in the stores do actually use their cars. I don’t, and you probably wouldn’t, but the effects on the margins are considerable.

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By: Damian Hockney/2010/08/01/transport-and-the-lock-in-problem/#comment-2720Fri, 06 Aug 2010 02:02:08 +0000/?p=1783#comment-2720Ian Perry is right that the way in which you enforce road pricing and increased taxation of transport is a major part of how it will be perceived. The lack of transparency in Transport for London (TfL) has been a major issue and its statistics are effectively politicised and almost impenetrable – many many experts have criticised the opaque accounting. But do not believe the stories about “lost income” from the scrapping of the Western Extension Zone. What you have indeed is “lost income”: but also a massive reduction in costs as well, because it was always made clear that the Western Extension would not be profitable for many many years (and many experts not connected with TfL said never). If Londoners are saddled with set-up costs and contract costs, that is clearly the fault of TfL and the politicians. Remember that the TfL board are political appointees and carry out much of their business in total secrecy. And just look at the facts that you CAN garner – the heroic and colossal costs of administering and running the scheme, the failure at any time to guarantee “profit” for transport, the doubling of price in the charge at a time when much of private business has been squeezed.

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By: Ian Perry/2010/08/01/transport-and-the-lock-in-problem/#comment-2719Thu, 05 Aug 2010 13:35:56 +0000/?p=1783#comment-2719Damain has brought back many memories of my time in London. Emergency vehicles fined, drivers fined for pulling over to the side of the road to let an ambulance past – and the photographic evidence showed the ambulance with blue lights flashing…

Think of the strongest words you know, and many Londoners (and I) will have used them to describe TfL. TfL is tainted, impersonal and those at the top, talented and as nice as they may be, have no idea (I hope) as to how many of their CUSTOMERS feel towards them and TfL. I’m convinced that the former Mayor, Ken Livingston, lost thousands of votes due to TfL.

What TfL does sounds (and could be) great – but to appreciate them, you must not live in London!

I wish I could fine TfL workers for their mistakes in the same way they fine their customers for their misunderstandings of TfL rules and mistakes – they’d pay to work!

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By: Ian Perry/2010/08/01/transport-and-the-lock-in-problem/#comment-2718Wed, 04 Aug 2010 16:01:28 +0000/?p=1783#comment-2718I am one of the many who has swelled TfL coffers by paying fines to TfL over congestion charge payment, as did my company when they forgot to add my vehicle to the automatic payment system. The popularity of the Congestion Charge scheme has suffered due to the mismanagement and ruthlessness of TfL and their partners of the payment system. I was not one of the 30% of the public who wanted to keep the Congestion Charge scheme as it was, but nor was I one of the 41% of the public who wanted to scrap the Western Extension Zone. I was one of the many who wanted the payment system made simpler and user friendly!

I know some of the business people who “howled” at having to pay the congestion charge to drive to their business each day. However, they had failed to realise that by registering their vehicle at their business address, they were entitled to a 90% discount……

Is business within the congestion charge zone “suffering” due to the congestion charge or the declining population density? Much of inner London’s residential property has been bought up by speculators and the worlds “elite” as second homes. If you are living in central London, you do not need a car and why would you ever drive to the shops and restaurants when you can walk?

I wonder how many of John Lewis’ customers arrive at their West End store by car – 40% of Londoners do not own a car and many West End shoppers are tourists from other countries! Would John Lewis have published research by Imperial College if it did not show the result they wanted? I believe not.

TfL has another money making scheme. They provide free parking in London along main routes outside of “peak” hours. Like many, I stopped in a parking bay for a few seconds shortly before the 10am and received an £80 fine – stopping (even to do a U-turn, is only allowed after 10am. A TfL camera showed me “stopped” for 8 seconds!
What is clear is that those with a vested interest will turn out to vote against congestion charges. Those who are not car owners are less “organised” and less inclined to lobby or vote on this issue, perhaps because they do not see immediate benefit to themselves.

Despite sharing a dislike of TfL’s customer service with many Londoners, I see the benefits of the Congestion Charge Zone and realise that public transport fares will have to go up as a result of any lost income from it – with a fare rise of 7% being speculated at the moment – because TfL is running out of money and is poised to lose income from the Congestion Charge…

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23846524-commuters-face-inflation-busting-7-percent-fare-rise-on-tubes-and-buses.do

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By: The Editor/2010/08/01/transport-and-the-lock-in-problem/#comment-2715Wed, 04 Aug 2010 08:53:50 +0000/?p=1783#comment-2715I hear what Damian is saying, but I also believe that cars should pay their full price, both when entering/moving or just sitting there in a catatonic state (aka parking). And certainly no doubt that the London CC experience has been flawed in many ways, though I would guess that the odds are they it is unlike to get any better given the various tendencies to try to patch and jiggle it.

You have done a nice tight piece on this difficult and important topic, which is why we have featured it as well on World Streets today. We are getting the good voices on these issues, now all we need to do is find the ears.

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